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Philosophy, Logic And Reason


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Science & Reason on Facebook: http://tinyurl.com/ScienceReas... Fry @ BigThink: Philosophy, Logic And Reason.---Please subscribe to Science & Reason:• http://www.YouTube.com/Best0fS... http://www.YouTube.com/Science... http://www.YouTube.com/Science... http://www.YouTube.com/FFreeTh... TranscriptQuestion: What philosophers influenced you?Stephen Fry: Philosophy is an odd thing. When we use the word in everyday speech you know you sometimes hear it hilariously. They say, Oh, its never good to be late. Thats my philosophy.You think thats a generous description of that rather dull precept to call it a philosophy, but its odd how philosophers generally speaking, at least the ones Ive read or the ones I you know value, dont have in that sense a philosophy. There is no particular Socratic or Nietzschean or Kantian way to live your life. They dont offer ethical codes and standards by which to live your life.They dont offer a philosophy to follow. They just simply raise an enormous number of questions mostly, so in the sense that you put the question is there a philosopher thats important to me.Well I me I loved really the sort of the Bertrand Russell grand sort of tour of philosophy, the history of philosophy from the pre Socratics as they're called, Zeno and so on through to Socrates and Plato and Aristotle.I never quite liked Aristotle. I think thats partly... Although he was obviously a genius and brilliant and he invented logic, so whats not to like. I think it was his influence on the medieval mind was probably rather pernicious and unfortunate and all those categories and things, but when it opened up with I suppose Spinoza and them, but then Kant and the enlightenment era.Oh and actually Locke. I did like Locke. He was a fine philosopher, but they dont... I mean what is so great about them is that they just... Theyre quite scary when you think of the word philosopher and especially if its logic and symbolic logic and it gets onto Hegelian philosophies, incredibly difficult to read I find and you follow it for about... Well its like trying to grab a salmon.You know the harder you clutch at it the more it springs, slips out of your hand and whoa, its gone and you chase it again and what was that and you feel very stupid, but the... I think the beauty of questioning and simplicity that you get from Kant in particular I think is just amazing because its like they say of simple mathematical laws that make fractals, the tiniest little elegant observation about or question about something just spins out these immensely complex things that make you rethink everything.So yes, I think philosophy is a really important dimension, but I think in our age we tend to be rather sloppy about it. We either think Buddhism is philosophy, which you know or some sort of eastern thing about being nice and spiritual and that will do, which its fine.I mean you know obviously I believe in kindness and niceness and lots of spiritual things, but the real intellectual rigor and quest of logic is something that Im afraid takes incredibly hard work and we live in an age in which hard work is if not actively deprecated or denigrated it is run away from or ignored.Its sort of people frown at you and say, Well, thats a bit dull and stupid. Why cant we just short circuit it and talk about like spirit? Well yeah, you can say spirit, but if you think thats philosophy and if you think thats good enough.The most important philosophy I think is that even if it isnt true you must absolutely assume there is no afterlife. You cannot for one second I think, abbragate the responsibility of believing that this is it because if you think youre going to have an eternity in which you can talk to Mozart and Chopin and Schopenhauer on a cloud and learn stuff and you know really get to grips with knowledge and understanding and so you wont bother now.I think its a terrible, a terrible mistake. It may be that there is an afterlife and Ill look incredibly stupid, but at least I will have had a crammed pre afterlife, a crammed life, so to me the most important thing is you know as Kipling put it, to fill every 60 seconds with you know what is it? To fill every unforgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of distance run.You know absolutely, so thats all Im saying I suppose. Is that there is no point wasting time being lazy, though of course indolence in a divine way, actually has its advantages. Oh, shut up Steve. Okay, next one.• http://bigthink.com/.

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ecaepevolhturt (el 18/05/13 a las 7:34 pm)
He said Buddhism was about "kindness" and "spirituality". Then says the "intellectual quest" of logic takes "hard work". I believe by COMPARING them is IMPLYING that logic takes more brain power to understand. It is funny in "The Liar" how he describes the main character of having a fine brian but a terrible mind; he is good with rhetoric but not at analysis. Fry even said that the key to passing his exams at Uni was memorisation. Fry lacks originality.
Charlie Cooper (el 18/05/13 a las 6:09 pm)
Surely all philosophy is logically prior, in your sense, to maxims pertaining to one's life?
theultimateshoe (el 18/05/13 a las 6:03 pm)
Many of themost successful philosophies, certainly in the western tradition, tend to do their best work at a metaphysical level (Kant is certainly an example of this). The simple and elegant 'transcendental' logic of the CPR is a much more enlightening formof philosophy because it simply elucidates principles which can be seen as logically prior to maxims that may relate to your life, and indd antecedent of the empirical conventions pacakaged into language(that is other than 'natural' language)
Oliver Davis (el 17/05/13 a las 2:07 pm)
I think you're misunderstanding what he means here. He's not passing Eastern Philosophy off as of no worth to us but more criticising the ignorance people show when talking about it; the common Western idea of Buddhism is a fat man sitting by a bonsai tree all day, and that's what the more ignorant associate philosophy as being. It's the people who have the wrong idea of what philosophy is that Fry has problem with. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you about the complexity of eastern philosophy!
ecaepevolhturt (el 16/05/13 a las 10:02 am)
(2:54) Fry is stupid and pompous here. Eastern philosophy like Taoism and Buddhism are actually very difficult to understand and to put into practice. They are about self-control and balance. Then again Fry has been sucidal and a user of cocaine; not exactly the personification of these "Eastern" values. Fry is good with language but not good with logic; he is good at contextual analysis but not detailed analysis.
Charlie Cooper (el 08/05/13 a las 8:31 am)
Surely Kant's categorical imperative is a guide to how one should live morally? And Nietzsche's ubermenschen and free spirits are clearly guides to living. Of course, they are not philosophies in the first sense, but I find almost all major philosophers have attempted to answer ethical questions and I find them all very useful.
jimmyt3411 (el 06/05/13 a las 4:26 am)
Science IS founded on philosophy. Sir Francis Beacon was a philosopher who initially proposed such a 'method' of understanding, during the enlightenment. He was part of a school of thought known as 'modern empiricism', which emphasizes the role of the senses in understanding. Empiricism has its roots dating all the way back to antiquity, which resulted from metaphysical disputes between Plato and Aristotle.
Ethan Silver (el 05/05/13 a las 8:59 pm)
He's an Atheist, and the issue in that debate was with the church and there practices, not the metaphysical claims they make. Pretty sure he says in the debate that he'd like to come back in ten years and argue the opposite.
mlaytontaylor (el 04/05/13 a las 12:18 pm)
As usual, a comment section filled with stupid people pretending to be having a 'debate' when in fact they just want to argue. Fucking sick of YouTube
Tor-Brynleif Xiang (el 03/05/13 a las 10:37 am)
No one will probably care about this, but I would be happy if at least one did. I make philosophy videos, and hope someone of you would like it.

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